So would watching "Funny Girl" be a way to express Straight Pride? [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
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So would watching "Funny Girl" be a way to express Straight Pride? [img]biggrin.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh, I'm sure that's the way you saw it.Quote:
Of course it does, Reason. At least it did at the company I worked for (which shall remain nameless, except to the extent that it was an insurance company based in, and named after, the capital of Minnesota).
That's a typical perception from a lily white guy who grew up in a lily white neighborhood, went to a lily white grade school, who went to a lily white high school, who went to a predominately lily white college and went to a predominately lily white law school and worked for a predominately lily white company run by lily white men, owned by lily white wealthy individuals and corporations who are predominately owned by lily white men.
So I guess when the lily white guy asked one of the few black men to speak up, it probably sounded like, "Yeah, let's hear what the black guy has to say," while the other lily white guys like you sat around and thought exactly what you said above, while the black guy was feeling all stressed out about being the only black guy in a room full of lily white guys who were thinking the black dude was somehow representative of all his race when in reality he was probably just happy to be there even though attitudes like yours made him feel out of place.
<font color="#FFFFAA" size="1">[ February 03, 2005 02:51 PM: Message edited by: Sarcazmo ]</font>
There's a surprise....Reason responds with name calling, labeling, and, as usual, incorrect assertions. And it wouldn't be so bad if you were genuinely bitter and pissed-off at the world. But since that's not the case, and since it's just schtick...
Tell you what, if you'd care to, I would more than welcome to opportunity to read what you think the purposes and benefits are of 'diversity training,' at least in the corporate world. I mean, yes I'm fat, ugly and lilly white, but those things don't make me wrong. Tell me where I'm missing the boat here.....
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, I'm willing to bet money that most - if not all - of my description above of your lily white world was correct. I know I got the lily white high school thing correct. Statistically speaking most universities - other than those that are specifically African American - are overwhelmingly lily white. Insurance companies have a tendency to be conservative and lily white. (I know the company where you worked, and I'm willing to look into this.) Corporate America's board rooms are overwhelmingly lily white. Corporate America's chief executives tend to be lily white.Quote:
Originally posted by Lew:
There's a surprise....Reason responds with name calling, labeling, and, as usual, incorrect assertions. And it wouldn't be so bad if you were genuinely bitter and pissed-off at the world. But since that's not the case, and since it's just schtick...
Tell you what, if you'd care to, I would more than welcome to opportunity to read what you think the purposes and benefits are of 'diversity training,' at least in the corporate world. I mean, yes I'm fat, ugly and lilly white, but those things don't make me wrong. Tell me where I'm missing the boat here.....
I have to admit, I don't really know what neighborhood you grew up in, but you live in Lawrenceburg (?) and you strike me as a west sider. Just a lily white hunch.
It was an edumacated (and not bitter) guess, without any reference to your weight, without any name calling. The only thing I labeled you as was "lily white." They don't come any whiter than you. Oh, let me guess - Yo mamma is black?
After listening to WLW at lunch today, it is really funny to hear downtrodden white guys talk about how everyone is infringing on their world.
Boo hoo. Maybe it's time white guys experience what it feels like.
That you have to sit and be exposed to diversity training. Oh my. The horror.
No black person represents the entire black community. They come in all shapes and sizes, with a variety of experiences. But I'll bet most blacks share a unique "black experience," something that vanilla white guys like us would never understand.
Maybe you'll understand it this way: It's kind of like growing up Catholic. Yeah, we're all different, but we certainly shared a lot of common experiences that outsiders would never fully understand.
<font color="#FFFFAA" size="1">[ February 04, 2005 09:54 AM: Message edited by: Sarcazmo ]</font>
"I would more than welcome to opportunity to read what you think the purposes and benefits are of 'diversity training,' at least in the corporate world."
To continue weakening the historical effects of discrimination. To train employees so they don't insult co-workers, suppliers, customers, and investors of different backgrounds.
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One of the most common reasons people quit their jobs is because they can't stand someone they work with. If diversity training reduces barriers to understanding and manages to enhance team building and reduce turnover, I can see this being a benefit.Quote:
Originally posted by LanDroid:
"I would more than welcome to opportunity to read what you think the purposes and benefits are of 'diversity training,' at least in the corporate world."
To continue weakening the historical effects of discrimination. To train employees so they don't insult co-workers, suppliers, customers, and investors of different backgrounds.
A friend of mine works at P&G, and they routinely have team building meetings at a variety of locations around the country. Last fall was LA and Catalina Island, before that, Ft. Lauderdale. Yeah, that's luxury diversity training, but the point is the same - to get people to understand each other and work together as a unit.
Personally, I'd like to see studies and commentary from companies that have implemented these programs. They obviously see some benefit from it, but I'm wondering if the benefit has been quantified in any way.
Not that the facts matter, Reason, but for the record- I grew up in Mt. Healthy, went to a roughly 50-50 white/black public school through 8th grade. St.X is mainly white Catholic to be sure, but actually I learned more there than anywhere else because a) I'm not Catholic, and b) prior to St. X, I had never been around Jewish, Moslem, or Hindu families, and during my time at X I got to know families of each very well. Sure, UC was mainly white kids, but I was a commuter and we kept to ourselves. And my law school class was the first at Chase to have more females than males.
Never lived in Lawrenceburg, and I don't like the taste of Seagram's. But actually I had a great time at Diversity training, 'cause I rented me a Mustang and I was on the company expense account and it was the holiday season at the Mall of America.
But in a case of corporate irony.....St. Paul did not have their own people put on diversity training, they outsourced it (God I hate that word; I'm referring to 'outsourcing', not 'diversity'). And during one of our segments, we were all broken into teams, and each team was given two 'diversity dimensions' (i.e. groups) and we had to go write on the flip chart a list of all the negative stereotypes of our respective groups. My group was assigned African-Americans and the handicapped. My co-worker's husband is parapalegic and it took her no time to complete the list. But we all agreed that we couldn't quite see the benefit of this particular exercise.
Well, about a year later, a group of employees sued St. Paul and that company that did the d-
oops gotta run, finish later...
Yes, I've heard of companies listing negative stereotypes, then getting sued. Not a smart way to go about it. Besides we all know the stereotypes so well, it's a waste of time to list 'em.
<font color="#FFFFAA" size="1">[ February 05, 2005 05:57 PM: Message edited by: LanDroid ]</font>